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Mackenzie Burnett
CEO und Mitbegründer @ambrookag
sprach mit @jacksondahl für @DialecticPod über ambrook, die amerikanische Industrie, Ästhetik und all die Dinge. Jackson steckt so viel Sorgfalt und Handwerkskunst in seine Arbeit – es war so schön, dieses Gespräch mit ihm zu führen.

Jackson Dahl29. Aug. 2025
I talked to Mackenzie Burnett (@ciaomack) about building financial tools for the independent businesses of America's heartland.
Mackenzie is the template of a deeply serious, strategic, and tactical entrepreneur whose engine is not purely ambition, but purpose. Hearing her talk about the big and small of her work is infectious.
With @AmbrookAg, Mackenzie is focused on enabling the American Dream and by way of bottom-up resilience. She calls it Grassroots American Dynamism.
She combines a rare combination of knowledge across technology, agriculture, policy, and finance that has shaped Ambrook's ability to deliver great financial software for underserved customers, starting with farmers and ranchers.
Highlights:
- the government's complexity: we treat it like a black box that is either fully incompetent or fully trusted; in fact it is many individuals--mostly non-political appointees--responding to incentives
- pragmatic environmentalism: meet people where they are with outcomes rather than ideology
- language matters: “resilience” travels further than “sustainability”
- "biological factories": why farms are deceptively complex businesses
- "everything goes back to accounting": Wading into complexity is freeing: it enables long-term thinking, better decision-making, and lower anxiety
- "make the intractable tractable": the CEO’s job is to ingest lots of information and turn messy problems into solvable ones
- explore with niche entry points: generalized explanations or histories can be appealing, but specificity can be more meaningful (like understanding Italy by way of citrus)
- physical design systems: why aesthetics and spaces matter
Transcript and all links below.


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Ich habe über die Idee der 'nostalgischen Zukunft' der 1960er-1980er Jahre nachgedacht – Star Wars, Epcot / Disney, das TWA-Hotel. Ich denke, dass es etwas viel Menschlicheres und Verspielt ist als der KI-Hype von heute, weil die ältere Ästhetik mehr Handlungsspielraum, Vertrauen und Gemeinschaft ermöglichte.
- Handlungsspielraum: taktile Schnittstellen (z. B. einen Hebel ziehen) vs. entkörperte / abstrakte
- Vertrauen: verständliche, mechanische Systeme vs. Black-Box-Modelle
- Gemeinschaft: gemeinschaftliche Vorstellungskraft / gemeinsame Räume für Staunen vs. einsamen Konsum.
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